Tuesday, August 22, 2006

The perfect date

... is when, after all is done, the girl remembers the evening in the few moments before drifting off to sleep, and goes "Oooh !!!".

A very dear friend went to meet a prospective better-half sometime last week, but certainly didn't end up feeling the above. Which means, unless they lacked topics to speak on, and ended up feeling like Ross and Mike in Friends, the guy must have done something wrong. Because I believe that if an average guy does everything right, and speaks even half the amount he does when he is explaining a gadget to his gang, he has the potential to make the dinner work.

Allow me ... ahem ... to make a checklist which guys like him could go through before a date. (I seriously wish he reads this)

1. Get the timing right - As a guy, take initiative, and make the call. And time it well. Do not call her right in the morning, when she is still in a big rush to leave for office. All girls are in a rush, and she wouldn't have had a dream the previous night that you'd call. Do not call at night to fix up a date next evening. If you call her at nine, when she's at the dinner table with her parents, chances are she might agree half-heartedly or might not appreciate your "last-week's-email-forward's-santa-banta" PJs. Call in the evenings, when she is most likely be relaxed and ready to strike conversation.

2. Ask her preferences - Just because you like Chinese does not mean she has to eat chow-mein when she is getting to know you. Ask her what she likes, and whether there's a place she'd like to go. Personal experience tells me that all girls have a fave eat-out where they want to go. If she suggests one, there's nothing like it. If she doesn't and/or leaves you to make a decision, choose a quiet place which has a great ambience, and does not serve only one cuisine.

3. Offer to pick her up - Personal experience also tells me that nothing pisses a girl off like waiting alone in a public place. Now while it is perfectly okay that she agrees to come on her own, it still is chivalrous to offer. And in the rare case that you are late, for reasons beyond your control, she would be waiting at her house, touching up her make-up, rather than ruining it outside. If she insists on coming herself, then be punctual. Leave home an hour in advance, or if in Bangalore, two.

Great, now that the girl is ready, let's work on you.

4. Call the restaurant beforehand - Restaurants like it better if you inform them beforehand. This way, you can get a better table than when you walk in, and they will be more than ready to accomodate your requests. If you have been to the restaurant before, choose a cosy table far from the maddening crowd, and request it for the day. Ask for candles and/or flowers to be on the table. Girls love flowers.

5. Dress formally - While this is not a job interview and does not require ties, it does not mean that you can walk in in torn jeans and "Sepultura" T-shirts. Your dressing shows how much you respect a lady and look forward to meet her. Believe me, you wouldn't want to escort a lady to her table in faded jeans and floaters. We guys don't notice it, but girls do 'check us out', and this is not a day where you would want a 3-on-10. Wear a clean, ironed shirt. Do not go to a date straight from office, just because the restaurant is next door.

6. Smell good - Allright, I know, in hostels, you have proved that you can go without a bath for more than a month. There is no need of making it the first point in your resume. Take a bath before the date, use a deodorant and unless you sport a beard / moustache, shave. But please don't make the mistake of using a deo on your body, perfume on your clothes and after-shave on your face - all together, else the chef might just come out of the kitchen to park your car. Polish your shoes, carry a CLEAN handkerchief (yes, I know you forgot it. Your only hanky was in the pocket of your suit, which you bought when you went onsite).

7. Buy flowers - By that I don't mean the kanakambra in front of the Shiva temple. Buy roses, or carnations if you please, or have a combination of flowers with a few green stalks. Wrap them in shiny ribbons, and give them when you first see the girl, not "Oh!!! I had got these for you", when you drop her off.

8. Be courteous - Be polite. Remember your P's and Q's. Tell her she looks good (Tip: Even if she doesn't). Order her drinks/dishes to the waiter first, instead of going "A Bloody Mary for me, and you'll have ... ?". Say "My pleasure" or "Don't mention it" when she says "Thanks", instead of giving her a "Kya-aap-close-up-karte-hain" smile. Say "Please" and "Thank you" to the waiter, while he serves you. Tip the waiter well, at least a fifth of the bill in cash (preferably). Insist on paying, but if she does not agree (to the point of making a scene), then its perfectly okay to go dutch. If dutch, double the tip. (You don't know how she tips, do you?). This particular tip in life, thanks to this.

9. Be yourself - When you are meeting a girl, who would probably be your partner for life, it is imperative that you be yourself. Honest. Tell the truth, and be comfortable in your own skin. She's only a girl, and even if she's non-vegetarian, she won't eat you up. So, unless there are no butterflies on your plate, there is no reason why you should have any in your stomach. Have a nice dinner over a great conversation, and drop her home. No pretences, no false promises.

However, if you are not a gentleman, but a bachelor ogre with dirty long nails, an unshaven face and clothes which were washed before they were made into a shirt, then I would suggest you don't follow any of these, because you would end up giving a false impression. And it is not a good thing to start a relationship with a falsehood. You ought to be yourself, and not someone else. But then again, being yourself does not mean you can ignore personal hygiene and present yourself like a shabby chap. Come on, if you couldn't take care of yourself, what woman in her sane mind would expect you to take care of her?

10. Following up - is not going behind her wherever she goes. Following up is sending her a mail next day, that you enjoyed her company over the dinner and thanking her for her presence.

Now, if you are the gentleman you are, and have followed these tips, I don't see why the girl should not sit with her face cupped in her hands, and gaze starry-eyed into the distance. (Yash Chopra ke picture nahi dekhta kya?). This is in no way an exhaustive list, and are written with the assumption that the date in question would be fixed by parents of the 'daters', though it can be extended to hold good for EVERY date. You might get poked at by family peers for going all out like this for an unknown girl, but let me tell you, you might be the nth person the girl is meeting like this. We guys generally don't make much of it, but it is pretty hard on the girls. The least you can do is make it enjoyable for her.

Even if the match does not work out, at least a dinner will.

62 comments:

Mysorean said...

Glad to have read this one after marriage! ;)

My comments on
Ask her preferences
Girls generally want to evaluate your taste and don't ever say anything in deciding the first meeting. They leave it to you, so that they can pull your leg for the rest of your life!


Call the restaurant beforehand

I would ve really liked it if you had stressed more on the "level" of the restaurant to chose. A greater than *** is a must I feel!

Dress formally
I would say dress in whatever you are comfortable and look good in. Don't go for either one factor alone.

Smell good
Very important. The Axe ad is not stupid I tell you!

Buy flowers
Wrap them in shiny ribbons. I would say V.V.V. Imp. It just flies through and the girl is in a different world.

Following up
Like they say in the sales line, close the deal. And without following up, you are never going to close it. But don't do too much of following up.how do u know when is too much? Well, when she stops picking up the phone and her dad's gurmpy voice greets you!

Overall excellent post! Was laughing all the while that I was reading it!

Viky said...

Adi,
1. I know. It is their ultimate weapon. ;) I know of a particular person who took his wife to a not-so-appropriate place on honeymoon, and is still being chided for the same.

2. There are poor people, guru. Me, for example.

3. Well, yes you can. But I don't guarantee the same service. ;) Apt dressing sense has power to it, wot say?

4. Nor is the Zatak. :D

5. Flowers are the all-time cure. Forget a bday, have a tiff on it, but a single long-stalked red rose will solve all of it. Long live the red rose.

6. Ayyayo...It stops at just the mail. If you like the girl, you would ask her out again, no? And if you like her so much, you would be marrying her, no? Whither the grumpy voice?

Mysorean said...

Viky:
1. That particular person must have died of guilt by now! My sympathies with him. My M-I-L (Mother-In-Law for the uninitiated [and hence, lucky ones!]) still chides my F-I-L (Oh! Come on figure this out!) for having gone to Mahabalipuram for their honeymoon and that too for a day only! They went today afternoon and returned next day afternoon! LOL! You should see the way my F-I-L reacts to that!

2. Poor aadre girls will not entertain you at all maga!

3. Oughta agree with you on this!

4. Experience speaking, eh?!

5. Yes! Long live the red rose!:)

6. Correct. Correct. I get the point!

Shruthi said...

I read Kanakambara and I collapsed laughing :D
I have to come back and read the entire thing later - and give you my.. ahem.. expert comments. In a rush now. Ta-da!

Viky said...

Adi: Some fun you must be having with your inlaws. He he.

Shru: See, girls are always in a rush.

Anonymous said...

I couldnt help but, ROTFL !!!!!!!! BRAVO VIKY !! i wish all men(unmarried) go thru this post

Viky said...

Rop: :D You know what to do next...

Mrudula Sreekanth said...

Nice post man! How I wish guys could really be like that. I am tired of waiting for guys for a long time and some of the others things you had mentioned. It owuld be good if guys follow your advice!

Santhosh said...

the kanakambara thing really cracked me up!!! And it can be called The Hitchhiker's Guide for the perfect Date..

Viky said...

Hardu: Believe me, some guys ARE like that. You have run into one, just now. ;) Wondering at what the 'some of the other things' are.

Magnolic: Strangely, that's the only thing that seems to have cracked up everyone. And yes, you've been oracling too much...

Sudhakar said...

Well, thats a perfect 10!!! ,but do you really think all these are required ,if the date is setup by parents..

Viky said...

Sudhakar: Yes, because -
1. It shows that you respect the lady.
2. As much as they may refuse it, girls do not like to be paraded around for marriages. They would have come to meet you like "Adyavano software engineer ante, avnna hogi nanu noDkonDu barbekante...". If you be nice to them, it can help remove the prejudice and actually show that you're a nice guy.
3. If the match works, you can always brag about what all you did on your first date, while all she can do is blush. ;)
4. If the match doesn't, at least she won't remember you as just another jerk whom her parents had 'shown' her to.

With this much to gain, its the least we could do.

Sudhakar said...

Fair enough, I'll try it out.. but any words of wisdom on how to find a date :)

Viky said...

Sudhakar: Yes, just let your parents know. :D

Sudhakar said...

Hmmmmm....

Chitra said...

Sakkath listu :)! personal experienc, eh? ;)

Viky said...

Sudhakar: ;)
Chitra: ashTilde heege bariyo riksu togotina? Personal yuxperienceSSu..

Anonymous said...

hehehe...one more chapter for your R&D work :D

Shark said...

Fantastic post! If only all guys could read your post...:)
Though (thank god for that!) I never had to go through any of this. I hear a lot about such things from my friends... and believe me.. a little effort from the guys side goes a long way.:)

I felt really nice when I read your comments empathising with the women folk :) . Yes! It's a torture. But I think few people like you make it tolerable....
Ok come down.. enough of my praise!
I am impressed da..:)

Viky said...

Vidya: Yeah. :D
Shark: Thank you. I just HAD to do atleast this much to make that dear friend of mine feel better.

Shruthi said...

I am trying so hard not to convert my reply to this post, into a post on my blog :D -- The disease is very infectious!

Viky said...

Et tu, Shrutus :D

Mrudula Sreekanth said...

Acutally most of the things you have mentioned and not just some of them. All the guys I have met till date have messed up with atleast 3-4 of the things you have mentioned. To put it in a better way, each one has passed only 2-3 things each of what you have mentioned.

Viky said...

Hardu: :D I hope you meet one who gets all the 10 right, and gets the proverbial 'YES'.

Have you seen the print ad for Mastercard?

Flowers for her: Rs.100.
A dinner date: Rs. 1000.
A 'YES': PRICELESS.

chitra said...

That mention of buying kanakambara was a good joke. But even there, malli (jasmine) is more commonly available!!!

Well, hope the guys follow some of the tips that u have mentioned.
Reminds me of an incident which my friend shared with me :

One day her client's sister drops in to her office to meet her and has the cheeks o tell her, u lk great and just right fr my brother! Ofcourse, my friend gave him a call and shouted at him!

That man didnt even have the courtesy to chek with the girl first and in this case, she was already married!

Anonymous said...

Personally speaking, jasmine can be quite a turn-on in itself.. see the umpteen number of south indian/hindi movies where an elaborate song expresses in great detail how to clasp it to a girl's hair, and you'll know what I mean!

Viky said...

Anon: Tell me about it. :D
BTW, are you the same Anon who left the comment of the 'guys in their bday suit' in the US, in another post of mine?

Shruthi said...

I have a friend who faints if she smells Jasmine. If there are guys like that too, then Jasmine is a bad choice ;)

Shruthi said...

Btw I am still torn - should I write a reply post to this or not -- I will put it on the backburner for now :)
Btw, I didn't tell you at all, did I - all the points are excellent! I am sure girls enjoy their dates wiht you -- heh heh ;)
Anyway, about the third point.. picking up the girl.. Sometimes it is totally crazy for the guy to go all the way to the girl's house and pick her up - it is impractical, and hard on the poor guy. If the girl is sensitive enough, she will offer to meet him at the dinner venue. But But But.... the guy SHOULD be there before her. She will really appreciate that!

Viky said...

Shru, Roses are best, no? Girls faint on roses too, but in a different way, what say?

Why, go ahead, and make a post of it. I would love reading it. Or better still, put together a list for the ladies. I personally, would enjoy reading that.

And as far as picking her up is concerned, there's nothing so chivalrous, if you ask me. You can also try a hand impressing her father ;)

Shruthi said...

I agree, Viky - picking her up is very sweet. But sometimes, if the girl is like me, and very considerate, (Ahem), then she would not want the guy to drive all the way out of the way to pick her up, when she could easily go there by herself. But yes, dropping her back, especially if its late at night, is a MUST! :)
Precisely, i wanted to draw up a list for the girls - you know me quite well by now, don't you :D

Shruthi said...

Oh yeah, Roses are sweet :) ---- Ohhh there is one catch here... If you give her the bouquet when you are outside, and if you plan to walk around a bit, and if you don't have a place where you can deposit the bouquet, then there is nothing more irritating than that :) -- Lugging a bouquet around is such a pain!

Viky said...

Shru Sahavasa dosha. :D Looking forward to "The Smart Girl's guide to a perfect date".

And, that's the problem - You want to be dropped off, but won't be picked up. There is a marked difference in dropping you gals off, and escorting you in another vehicle, like a military F-16.

Why are you making me feel kanakambara is actually a better choice - you can atleast wear it on your hair !!!

Shruthi said...

F-16!! :))
See, if I take public transport to go and meet a guy, and if it is 10 o clock by the time the date gets over, no way am I going to take an auto home! I mean, if the guy doesn't offer to, I might end up taking an auto home, but I for sure will not like it! :)

Heh heh.. Kanakambara might be a good idea - but it depends on the length of the hair on the girl's head! :) If it's like mine, the kanakambara will be longer than my hair!

About the post - the Title is ready, thanks to you, now all that remains is the post itself!

Viky said...

ashTella ramayaNa yaake? Sumne pick maDiskobahudalla...adu matra maDalla !!!!

arda maaru togoNDre aytu. simple :))

orkut check maDalwo???

Shruthi said...

Pick maaDiskonDre drop maaDiskoLLakke paapa ansatthe! :) -- Chhe chhe what is this... I should speak in the past tense ;)

Orkut office nalli blocked :(

Viky said...

Adu yaake?

Orkut office nalli enu blockedu?? :D Muhahahahaha...

Shruthi said...

Coz I have gone thro all that and am happily married now ;) Impressing and getting impressed yella agi hoythu ;)
Oh btw, just for the record, S got 10 out of 10 right ;) [The first time, that is :O]

You know what??? After I wrote that i was 100 pc sure you would say something like this -- and i did not correct it just to see if i am right :D

Viky said...

I know. I felt like kicking you for that anti-climax in the broke-leg-got-married posts. :D

Still, being married doesn't explain why you feel paapa for the guy who picks you up to take you out.

He did? Good for him!!! :D He will, of course, agree with me when I say that the reason he is not repeating it is because you don't bait the hook after you have got your fish. ;)

Yeah yeah!!! meese maNNu aglilla syndrome :D

Shruthi said...

LOL at meese mannu :D

See, when the girl has two legs of her own, and the ability to reach the venue, and most importantly, the girl is willing and equally eager to meet the guy, why go to her home to pick her up?
In the same way, if it is dark and lonely, then whether the girl has one leg or two, or whatever it is, I think that the guy has to drop her home - in this big bad world.
Do I have to explain myself further?

ROFL at baiting, etc :))) That's true in the reverse case also, you know ;)

Not much anticlimax there... and not too much of a story after that.. pretty straightfwd ;)

Viky said...

You mean all the batting eyelids, the flirtatious glances, the seemingly involuntary gushes, the vivacious HIII's are all just eyewash??!!!

Boo Hoo!!! Marriage isn't so rosy anymore...:D

Don't you have an IM?

Shruthi said...

Yeno tumba experience idda haage ide! Swalpa vichaariskobeku! :)
Illa IM illa :(

Viky said...

Is that it? IS that what you meant by reverse baiting being true?

Enu vichaariskoteera? :D *can't hold the smile*

Shruthi said...

Yay that and much more :D [Now I can imagine you all worked up :)]

And don't hold the smile, it's good for you ;)

Viky said...

Much moreaa??? Wonder what else S has to do apart from the cooking ;)

:O *gawking with mouth open*

Shruthi said...

^&*&%^% S doesn't cook! :O
:D

Shruthi said...

There is a full stop after the second "%". Sigh. Better be very very clear with this guy.

Viky said...

Ok ok...take a chill pill. ;)

PS: Do you order from outside daily? Muhahahaha!!!! :D

Viky said...

Thanks for the clarification...I almost thought you were bad-mouthing hubby dearest.

Shruthi said...

Half a century! You have to treat me for this.

Viky said...

Sure. Outside or the place where you normally order from? :D

Shruthi said...

Ohmigosh... If we ever meet, I am going to kick you.

Viky said...

Such impudence!!! So unbecoming of a lady!!!

Anonymous said...

Couldn't disagree more with all the generalisations! But then, I would never go on such a date. Eww.

Anonymous said...

Amazing .... really liked it...

Viky said...

Chilli: :D
Anon: Thank you!!!

Anonymous said...

Several years ago, askmen.com seemed to have exactly the same checklist (the bullets atleast).

Viky said...

Give Credit Where Due: I am sure askmen would have carried pretty much the same lists. Etiquette does not change you see, unless it is cross-cultural. ;)

What I wrote was my take of a perfect date. :D

And yes, amusing name you have. Curiosity arises on who you might be, but then, I will let this be a coincidence.

Anonymous said...

The order of items listed as I double checked is the same; intriguing it is. I wonder if you authored the original in that american magazine or ...... Never mind.

Viky said...

Give Credit Where Due: I found that article you were referring to. And let me tell you, there are a lot of differences, even in the broad similarity of both articles. And just to put your fears to rest - no, I did not author that list in that American magazine, nor did I do the "... Never mind" insinuation you are making.

The first point in my list is the third point in askmen's list. It also includes a pre-dinner activity - golfing or suchlike. And the reserving tables thing is so natural. Askmen's dwells a lot on what kind of conversation to make, but does not incorporate in that particular article, things like dressing up, smelling good and buying flowers. There might have been other articles for the same, which I am not concerned about.

Throughout my article, I have maintained a flow of things, from where to start and how to end. Any person, knowledgeable on good etiquette, would take the same path - Decide time, decide venue, groom yourself, have fun. Innumerable grooming manuals, behavioural trainings and presentations I have come across or undertaken stand testimony to this. The similarity ends at the fact that they both offer tips to make a date go well.

At the end of the day, what I wrote was my take. I will not have you imply on my blog that I have plagiarised from anywhere else, and if you think the soft suggestion in your name is of any consequence, then I'm sorry, I will not be giving credit to anyone, and certainly not because of an anonymous commenter crying foul. I have taken one tip from elsewhere, and I have acknowledged it amply.

I shall not lend any more of my time or effort to wash this linen, made dirty by your anonymous insinuations.

Anonymous said...

Maga,

Adu ninna agni parikshe ! pass-adeyo, fail-adeyo gothila :-(

If I had merely said that your tips rank best amongst the pOliest(kannada word), you would not have taken it seriously. So upon a suggestion from another your's truely, we set you up to go evaluate yourself. And you did :-) To be frank, I have no idea what askmen.com tips really are and how those fare with yours, but it was another your's truely that came up with this brilliant idea.

Inthi,
haLe dosthU

Viky said...

Give Credit Where Due alias haLe dostu : Nan tips yaav reeti ninge poli annistu, nange gottila. anthaddu enu adraLLi irlilla.

But then again, yaaru guru neenu matte aa inobba "yours truly?"